Thursday, May 15, 2014

Zガンダムのいい加減な英語について

補足:言わなくても分かると思うけど「宇宙性気」は変換ミス。「世紀」、な

Wednesday, May 14, 2014

Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack (1)

Dug up my copy of the official US release of CCA, figured I might as well give the subtitles a look.

Not watching the movie in its entirety at this point, just jumping to memorable parts.

「なんでこんなものを地球に落とす?」
Literal translation:  "Why would you drop such a thing on Earth?"
"Crashing this to Earth"... I don't know, since when did you crash things to others? And where's the question mark?

「だから抹殺すると宣言した」
"That's why I declared that I would kill them all."

 Yes this openly contradicts the stuff from later on where he says his goal is to get people to move into space but that's what it says. And minor and inconsequential change, but "declared" becomes "decided".

「人が人に罰を与えるなどと!」
Another minor change- Amuro says that people (in general) don't have the right to punish others.

「私、シャア・アズナブルが粛清しようというのだ、アムロ!」
And then this. "I, Char Aznable, will purge them, Amuro!" becomes this load of made-up bullshit. What the fuck?

「エゴだよそれは!」
"That's your ego!". I mean, sure, the meaning doesn't change that much, but the use of the word "ego" is a Tomino thing that really ought to be left intact. This completely pointless change turns a great one-liner into just another line.

I've heard that the decision to translate 強化人間 (literally enhanced or augmented human) into "cyber newtype" was made on the Japanese side and so the translators shouldn't be blamed for it. It's still fucking stupid, though. Cyber? Seriously?

「強化しすぎではないのか?」
This line suggests that the translator wasn't familiar enough with Gundam; They didn't enhance his skills, they enhanced him, and as you can see in previous shows that results in the subject going slightly nutty. This guy's worried that Gyunei might start crying about the sky falling down.

「分かったよ」
She asks if the ReGZ can be used, and when told that it can't, replies with this. If she already knows then why is she asking? Simple: She doesn't. This is an elementary mistake- She didn't already know, she just knew from Astonage's answer. This line isn't difficult to translate at all- "Alright" or "got it" or "okay", any of these would've been fine, but the translator made the mistake of thinking that 分かる is the same thing as 知る which is the kind of stuff you ought to have learned in a JLPT4 class.

「そりゃエゴだよ!」
Another case of "ego" being removed.

「私は永遠にあなた達の間にいたいの」
She doesn't say she just wants to be with them, she wants to be between them.

「ニュータイプは、物とか人の存在を正確に理解できる人のことだよ」
No "psychically" in the original line. It's not wrong, but I feel that it just kind of cheapens the line.

「俗物どもが」
Like with Hamaan's, "zokubutsu" is for some reason extremely frequently mistranslated. A quick google search shows that Japanese to English dictionary entries say

And this is completely wrong. People relying too heavily on Japanese to English dictionaries is a major problem in translation (look at all the people mistranslating 偽善者 to "hypocrite"!). What they ought to be doing is looking up the word in a purely Japanese dictionary, which in this case would tell them that a zokubutsu is a greedy person who cares only for material wealth.

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CHANGE "SIEG ZEON"?

(だから夫婦でもいがみあっていられるんだ)
"So that's why even married couples will fight each other."
Yes she's talking about her own parents but god damn that's a weird wording choice.

「地球は人間のエゴ全部は飲み込めやしない」
"The world can't handle the ego of all humans!"
Once again "ego" is purged from the script, and the stuff about parasites seems to me like it comes from the translator mishearing the line (can't handle = "nomikomeyashinai" → nomi something → fleas → parasites).

「ならば今すぐ愚民どもすべてに英知を授けてみせろ!」
First of all, he's not questioning Amuro's use of "wisdom" which is what the "so-called" suggests. And "those ignorant people" suggests a specific group, when the wording is such that he's talking about ALL people, which means something like "the ignorant masses" would be more appropriate.


He addresses her not just as Quess but as "Quess Air", which is what she calls herself because Neo Zeon kind of probably would recognise her real surname if she used it.

"貴官ら" is literally translated to "you officers" but is just another way of saying "you".

The song lyrics are completely different, but that isn't entirely a bad thing considering how the chorus is "Char believing our pray pray".


Fun fact: Char talks about the kakushin (革新, reform or revolution, "rebirth" is fine too) of mankind here. This phrase would be revisited much later in 00 with Innovators being referred to as such.

Another reason why the use of "psychic" by Quess before feels odd to me- When Gyunei talks about his becoming a newtype, her use of the word ("esper" in the original Japanese) has a mocking tone to it; Her idea of newtypes seems to be closer to the hippie understand everything version than to the I CAN CONTROL LASER GUNS WITH MY MIND PEW PEW version.

TO BE CONTINUED

Friday, May 9, 2014

Fansubbers


Patlabor TV

This is an thing I did on a certain image board sometime last year IIRC, just copypasting stuff over.

The US Manga Corps DVD release, translation done by one "Studio Nemo". I'd say that the subtitles on this are atrocious, but "atrocious" is hardly sufficient to convey how bad they are; In fact I doubt that there even is a word, or combination of words in the English language capable of properly expressing how bad they are.

But anyway, I was rewatching Patlabor TV and for a short time during that period I posted the particularly bad translations along with explanations of why they were terrible. This list is of course by no means comprehensive because this show is 47 episodes long and pretty much every single line is messed up in some way.

I should like to add, though, that before watching the TV series I rewatched the first OVA (Early Days) as well, and the translation in there was astonishingly good aside from a couple of questionable superficial decisions (like converting the currency).

Anyway, here we go. The explanations are copied from the archived thread, slightly edited for clarity.

※画像のキャプションに日本語の簡単な説明を載せます 
(Captions are explanations for Japanese readers)
なお、DVDを見たのは去年だったので一部を除いて実際の台詞はうろ覚え
(この記事は俺が去年、某掲示板でやったスレを元にしていて、その元スレには一部を除いて実際の台詞の英訳しか書かなかったため)
「これじゃあまるで自滅」→「自爆したらしい」
So, news report on the Griffon's "crash".
  Shinshi: 「これじゃあまるで自滅ですよ」 "It's like it might as well have destroyed itself."
Self-destruct in Japanese is "jibaku" and usually carries the nuance that it's being done on purpose. "Jimetsu", which is what Shinshi used, however, carries the clear connotation that it is NOT of the person's own accord. They're talking about how there's no way a labour could fly, and that the Griffon must have crashed and burned, so saying it self-destructed makes no sense at all.


「先週」が「今週」になっているため、内海のアリバイが成立しない

The line is 「内海は先週から土浦に出張中」: "Utsumi has been on a business trip to Tsuchiura since last week". Last week, this week, not much of a difference, right? Except the Griffon incident happened last week, so this would've given him a fucking alibi. 

That and the fact that the translator in charge can't tell the difference between this and last week obviously isn't a good sign.


「眠気覚まし」→「不眠症」 
柔道で不眠症解消とかねーよ
眠気覚まし is "translated" to insomnia. Nemukezamashi is the act of trying to keep yourself awake. Actively trying to keep yourself awake. That's the exact fucking opposite of insomnia.

Noa does her nemukezamashi by having a couple of judo matches with Ota. It's apparent that the translator understood the later lines about how she couldn't sleep the previous night, but couldn't figure out nemukezamashi and so we get "she had insomnia so she's doing some kung fu with Ota!".

Just... think that over for a bit.

I HAD INSOMNIA SO I DID SOME JUDO.

Forget language, how the hell could someone look at this line and think it worked logically?


内海の部下の赤石と緑川がレッド・ロックとグリーン・リバー(任務了解)に 
しかし黒埼はそのまま
Utsumi's goons follow a pretty simple naming scheme: They're Akashi ("Red Rock"), Midorikawa ("Green River"),  and Kurosaki ("Black Peninsula"). But you know what? They're just real, regular names. Why the fuck would you translate them? Why don't you call Asuma Playing Horse or something then? And if you're translating Akashi and Midorikawa's names then why is Kurosaki's left as it is? I just can't understand the thought process going on here at all.



「俯いた肩を抱きしめたけれど 寂しさ胸につもった」が
「落ち込んでいる愛しい彼を慰めてみたけど、その心はまだ悲しみで満たされていた」に
Song lyrics are always a source of confusion for people trying to translate them, but this is just inexcusably bad. The translator in this case obviously can't figure out the subject of the lines because the subject's not in the lines! THERE IS NO SUBJECT! THIS LOVE SONG IS ABOUT GHOSTS!

Oh wait the entire fucking song goes on talking to "you". The fucking name of the song is Sono Mama no Kimi de ite ("Stay the Way You Are"). The language throughout the entire song is clear-cut.

東京に帰らないといけない→東京から出入り禁止になった

I'm not even going to bother with commentary anymore.

"I have to get back to Tokyo" is translated to "they barred me from Tokyo".


やるしかない→やらねばならない ニュアンスが違う
 "We have to" suggests he's doing it out of his own accord, possibly from obligation, but in the dialogue he uses しかない which means he has no choice which is the exact fucking opposite.


晴海がハルウミに
Mayyyyyyyyyyyybe it's just a typo but 晴海 could be read as Haru-umi by someone who sucks really bad at Japanese. But it's just plain fucking Harumi.

説明するのが面倒だけどとにかく字幕と音声が完全に別物
This isn't even a translation. Subtitles are completely different from the dialogue, which has Gotou saying "They tried putting the remains (of the Griffon) back together, like is standard with airplane crashes, but..."

Asuma's actual reply: "They couldn't?" (Suggesting that the Griffon didn't actually blow up and the debris was just random junk scattered around to look like a crash site).

Subtitles of Asuma's reply: "That would require advance preparation."

 Since this is just totally different from the original dialogue it might just be a localisation thing, but then that gives us another question: Why?

東京に指示を仰げ→東京の地図を持って来い
"Get orders from (the headquarters in) Tokyo" is translated to "get me the Tokyo maps". 

Immediately after this line SSS calls up Shaft, and the next scene is the Shaft people in Tokyo discussing what to do next after being contacted by SSS asking for orders.

グリフォンを海外に持ち出す→グリフォンをロード(意味不明)
"You don't think he's planning on smuggling the Griffon overseas?"
 (Load? What the fuck?)


主語がバドから内海に
Kurosaki is talking about Bud here (HE looks like he's enjoying it) but the idiot translator redirects the dialogue to Utsumi due to a complete lack of understanding of Japanese grammar.

事件を起こすなよ→建設に気をつけろ
意味不明
"Try not to cause any accidents"
("Be extra careful of the construction"? What the fuck?) 

ハルウミ再び
 Oh, looks like "Haruumi" wasn't a typo. The translator can't figure out REAL place names, and is too deaf to hear how they're spoken.


「親会社は一緒だが連絡が行っていない模様」→「彼らはバビロンプロジェクトの警備員で定期的なチェックもない」
意味不明
These guards work for the same parent company as SSS.

Dialogue: "They're security under the same parent company as us. It seems the communications didn't reach them." (i.e. Someone higher up in the chain of command is supposed to have ordered them away)

Subtitles: "They're Babylon Project guards. They don't even have regular check-ins."

WHAT THE FUCK? 

「近所に『事故』でも起こして引き付けるか?」→「下がってもらいましょうか?」 
優しいスリーエス
Well these SSS guys aren't so bad after all are they?

Original dialogue: "Shall I cause an 'accident' somewhere close by to draw them away?"

 Oh there we go, they're supposed to be a bunch of ruthless mercenaries who don't give a shit about arson and whatever.

句読点すごくいいね??
OMG!! This pucntuation is so profesional?????


内海「会社に戻りたいのでスリーエスをどうにかしてください」→「スリーエスには一仕事してもらう
(この時点ではスリーエスと内海はまだ敵対している)

Utsumi to his boss: "I'd like to come in to the office today, so would you please do something about SSS?"

Reminder: Utsumi betrayed Shaft and SSS is out GUNNING FOR HIM. Why the FUCK would he be ordering them around?

Maybe this is a localisation thing, it'll surely make sense in context...
 ...oh wait, immediately after SSS gets orders to stand down.


Wow.

名前の「尚代」(ひさよ)が「ナオヨ」に
Okay, this sort of explains "Haruumi"- This lady's name is Hisayo, but the name could also be read as Naoyo. Apparently the translator was working off raw text (which makes all the other translation errors even more inexcusable since they can look at the fucking text and not just try to listen to it).


保険会社のポスター「安心できるから任務に専念できる」が
「より任務に忠実に 安全第一」に (てか保険関係なくね?)

The insurance company's ad reads "Because we can have peace of mind (thanks to our insurance), we can concentrate on our duties".

The subtitles read "NOW EVEN MORE DEVOTED TO DUTY: SAFETY FIRST". 

Does that even make any fucking sense on a fucking insurance fucking company's fucking ad?
 
「当時の地図はまず手に入りません」→「古い地図を見つけた」
Yet another example of the subtitles saying the exact fucking opposite of the dialogue. Shige says that he WASN'T able to get a map on such short notice.

急なことだし、当時の地図はまず手に入りませんからね
"Because it was so sudden I couldn't find a map."

下水道に住むホームレスが「王様のような暮らし」に
(翻訳者は夢の島が分からず、「夢のような暮らし」的な意味と解釈したと思われる)
Wow.

Gotou's talking about a fucking HOBO living in the SEWERS here. "Living like a king" indeed.

I'm guessing that the translator managed to pick up the "yume" (dream) and ran with that but what is ACTUALLY being said is that the guy got all his stuff from Yumenoshima. A landfill.

So yeah not only is this translator incompetent they also lack common fucking sense. A hobo in the sewers living like a king.

埋立地で見つからないものはない→埋立地にはゴミしかないと聞く
Nagumo: "After all, they say there's nothing you can't find in a landfill".

我々の任務は沿岸の警備→我々は海上保安庁の管轄下にある
"Our orders are to watch over the coast"
 (No fucking mention of the coast guard anywhere and why would the fucking SV2 which is under the security department take orders from the goddamned coast guard god damn it common fucking sense)


So yeah, this translator can't understand basic grammar and just plain makes shit up which frequently makes no sense at all and sometimes is in fact the fucking opposite of what is being said.

Good job.